We have strips of bull thistle in our pasture, along the areas where our flood control district spread dredging spoils last year. We actually have two kinds of invasive thistle that I hate- bull thistle and Canada thistle. Both are class C noxious weeds here, meaning we aren’t required to control them, but we are encouraged to do so. Canada thistle is supposed to be the more difficult one to manage, but thankfully I think our population of it is starting to dwindle. I suspect the way we are rotational grazing the grass, and that the sheep eat and trample it, is making it difficult for that weed to thrive in our pastures.
Canada thistle (left) has shiny, ruffley, light green leaves and is a fairly petite plant. Bull thistle is a big boy, often growing taller than me, and has dark green, giant, hairy, spiny leaves. The bull thistle is a much more annoying plant; I find that it’s spines sting more, and because it grows so tall, walking past the plants is painful. They sting me right through my jeans. Canada thistle, on the other hand, tends to only get boot high here and isn’t nearly as prickly.
We have come to observe over the years that it’s best to get grass seed down on disturbed soil right away. Grass on its own doesn’t “volunteer” well, so bare spots will populate with weeds for years before grass might naturally want to come in. Whereas if we get the spot thickly seeded with a good variety of grass, the grass has the advantage from the get-go. We didn’t do this in the pastures last year, so lo and behold, now we have strips of thistles to deal with.
Last year we did quite a bit of mowing because the sheep couldn’t keep up with the grass. This year we have less grass and more sheep, so mowing won’t be necessary at least until July, I think. The bull thistles are starting to form flower heads, so I figured I’d better do something quick, to prevent them from spreading seed. Though the sheep do actually nibble on them (they appear to do it carefully, but seem to enjoy eating them just as much as anything else), they can’t manage to eat such big plants in their entirety.
Bull thistle is a biennial, meaning each plant lives two years. So supposedly if you can manage to keep one set of plants from going to seed, the population should dwindle in three years. I decided to machete these plants down. I’m hoping this will stunt them pretty good, and if we mow once later in the summer, that should devastate them adequately.
Once the sheep have grazed a section, the thistle are easy to see and get to, since the grass is neatly eaten and trampled all around the thistle plants. So I’m following behind them with machete in hand to clean up rectangles they just finished. It would be much harder to do with the thistle mixed into tall grass, since grass doesn’t machete very well.
Hitting the thistles with the machete is easy and satisfying; they are tall and have hollow, woody stems which slice neatly with idle swings of the blade. I’m hoping that they’ve put a lot of energy into those soon-to-blossom flower heads, so cutting them off at the ground will give them a serious setback. The only thing that worries me is the warning on the King County noxious weed website that says that leaving cut flowers on the ground might still enable them to finish seeding. I hope not!
June 20, 2011 at 7:25 am
Can you spot burn the area to destroy any seed heads that might mature?
June 20, 2011 at 8:44 am
thanks for the info – this year is particularly bad for us with thistle. they sting me right through leather gloves. i used dicamba on them (to save the surrounding grass) and i think that is doing the trick. however the patch in our pasture must be mowed and the patch by the fish ponds must be removed by hand because i’ll face a 40K euro fine if i use an herbicide near water. i look forward to having the shepherd bring his flock because last year they did such a great job of cleaning up what the mower left. now i know it’s all in the timing. the sheep do the best job when the grass is at a particular stage and if i miss that window, it’s just a massive fertilization that they provide.
June 20, 2011 at 2:17 pm
We have both those thistles here (SW B.C.) The Canada thistle gets quite tall, maybe to four feet, and the bull thistle is just the odd plant here and there. I’m not sure about the biennial part, at least with the Canada thistle. We mow them off before we see any colour in the flower heads, but while being kept under control, the patches aren’t disappearing fast. I used to laugh at the horses very gently, with lips pulled back, eating the tops off them.
Our big problem right now is wild chervil. Also supposed to be a biennial. We keep mowing it, removing the mowed stuff, but we can’t rid of it. That stuff starts out flowering at 3-4′ high, and then just sends out shorter and shorter stems each time you mow it, until it is flowering right at the ground. Last year I weedeated it off 6-8 times, and it still managed to flower.
If any flower had the chance to be pollinated before cutting down, I think you take a chance that some of those seeds might be viable. So if those blooms are left on the field, yeah, they might still reproduce. I would think if you were cutting them before they were showing colour, you should be okay.
June 22, 2011 at 3:59 am
I agree with Karen. If the buds were pretty young they might now be far enough matured to open, be polinated and then produce seed. I like to go through with my scythe and cut the thistle down. I did that several years in one of my emu pens that was thick with thistle. Between that and the goats, I don’t see much in that pen any more. But it took a few years.
June 22, 2011 at 5:02 am
Joanne, I hope you are right, I’d sure like their population to diminish!
Michelle