Amongst all the other things I’d like to have been doing in my free time, this last week I had two unavoidable household repair chores. The first was the septic tank. We have a Bio-Microbics MicroFAST system. It is kind of a fancy septic tank design, owing to the fact that our drain field is in the flood plain. And as far as septic tanks go, you might equate fancy to finicky, because it is!
I’ve had multiple tangles with this thing. The first being that the installer put the wrong floats in it, and then threw up his hands when it wouldn’t turn on the pump to the drainfield. A cold November evening found my dad and me wrestling a garden hose and puzzling over downloaded manuals and wiring diagrams before discovering the problem, such that the right floats could be ordered and installed. But that early intimacy with the system (while it still had water in it! ) has turned out to be beneficial, because now I really know inside and out how the thing works.
It has two tanks, each with two chambers. “Stuff” comes in the first tank from the house tight line, the solid stuff settles in the bottom. Liquid flows off the top into the second chamber, and then off the top of that chamber into chamber #3 of the second tank. And that’s where some magic happens: that chamber has a big, plastic honeycomb in it, and an air compressor blows air through that 24/7. The idea is that bacteria affix to the honeycomb, and enjoy bacteria utopia in being fed a constant supply of oxygen and nutrient, without having to even get off the couch. These bacteria, housed and coddled like you would honey bees, or adult children still living at home, provide the service of material breakdown and consumption. This is supposed to cut down on how often you have to have the tank pumped. (A cost reduction which does not offset the number of times I have to open the lids and view our septic effluent, however. At least, I will grant, Bio-Microbics is right, the smell is merely “compost-ey”.)
And the technological wizardry doesn’t stop there. Here is the command center for the system. It’s a virtual Lassie Dog, set to bark and flash if anything goes awry: power loss, pump failure, compressor death, light bulb demise, Timmy in the well (no, wait, not that). I think our septic system has better vitals-monitoring than most hospitals.
After liquid flows off the top of the third chamber, it trickles by a UV light (to disinfect) before entering the fourth chamber, where a pump awaits to send sanitized gray water out to our pasture drain field in full tank-sized rushes (to alternately flood, and let it rest). And it’s in this little tunnel of light where we have some kind of a problem nobody can explain: it tends to clog. This backs up chamber number three, which makes it too hard for the air compressor to pump air into there. The compressor overheats and periodically shuts itself off to take a break.
I am programmed to listen for the sound of the air compressor operating normally and the sound of cheerful bubbling in chamber #3 every time I walk by that thing. They are very quiet and probably not even noticeable to a bystander. But I: I am perfectly attuned to our septic system’s moods. So I’m quick to notice when something is amiss.
Usually when I hear the compressor strain and the bubbling stop, I can just pull out the UV light momentarily, and a whoosh, a bunch of water will break free, and all will right itself. But this time that didn’t seem to have any affect. We noticed the water level was a bit high in the first chamber while working on the barn plumbing. And the septic had actually backed up into the bathtub a few weeks ago. But we had resolved that by hosing a grease blockage out of the tank entrance (ugh, we try hard not to let grease go down the drain, and we have a Fat Trapper, but still, we cook a lot…). So on Monday when I was doing some raking, and I heard that compressor shut off its overheated self, I lifted all the lids again.
Poor chamber #3 was way too full, and no bubbly. I fiddled with the light, and practically nothing: only the tiniest trickle of water seemed to be coming by. I got out The Snake. I wasn’t sure I could navigate The Snake up the light tunnel, I thought it might just want to exit into chamber #4. But it didn’t, it went right where I wanted it to go. I was careful not to break the very expensive UV light wand with The Snake. And then… it unblocked something. In the rush of water passing I did not see what it was. The Loch Ness? A troll? A beaver dam? A 4” blob of algae? I may never know. Whatever it was, it was probably unhappy to be dislodged out of its tanning bed. But it’s fixed again. That Jacuzzi of septic action is music to my ears. It’s the little things in life you appreciate, like a working septic system, and saving a bill from the Septic Repair Man.
March 4, 2011 at 10:10 am
Hey, I think you have our sewage system!
I have never seen this before moving to Germany and buying this home. Three chambers that function like you describe, with an aeration pump in the last one that is connected to an electronic monitor that beeps like crazy if we lose power (because I was washing the greenhouse with the hose and sprayed an electrical outlet, oops!).
Our monitor has three little digital numbers on it that must be written down in a log book every Monday. I think this is ridiculously old fashioned and it should connect directly to the sewage agency via ethernet and deliver those numbers automatically. Oh well.
The pump was one of the “must do” items we had to buy when we first moved here (4K euros) and ever since then the bacteria keep the smell down. We only smell it when the weather changes drastically which upsets the bacteria. Although the German people are used to the smell of sewers (‘specially in East Germany), I am not.
March 4, 2011 at 10:12 am
Oh, and I have to share this post with my husband because you two both can talk in detail about the intricacies and beauty of this sytem.
March 5, 2011 at 3:36 am
Lytha, that’s funny- ours at least doesn’t have any numbers to write down, thank goodness! I agree, that could sooo be automated in this day & age! How interesting that your bacteria gets upset at the temperature changes- makes sense. Every now and then, I smell ours, I’ve never noticed if it’s related to temp, but I bet so!
Michelle
July 7, 2011 at 11:56 pm
I have the exact same system (about 3 1/2 years old). The UV light is out and needs replaced (so they tell me). Any idea what these cost? I’m just making sure they aren’t overcharging me. Thanks.
Todd
July 8, 2011 at 3:27 am
Todd, I’m not sure, though I think I remember hearing that they were expensive. It seems disappointing that it only lasted that long? Darn! I’d love to hear what you find out, since I’m sure we’ll be crossing that bridge too!
Michelle
October 7, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Todd,
It all depends on the style of bulb, but when mine was replaced they charged me $163 USD for the bulb and labor. I think the base cost was a bit over $125.
Wishing you all septic happiness.
Dave
October 8, 2011 at 4:28 am
Dave, thanks for the info- whoo, $125 for a fluorescent light bulb! Well, we have to keep the bacteria happy, I guess. I continue to fight build-ups around that light bulb, grr, that thing is so high maintenance.
April 19, 2012 at 11:58 am
Well I was thinking about getting one but after what you guys said I think I will wait.
April 20, 2012 at 3:06 am
John, I don’t know why ours has been so weird and finicky, they tell me not very many people have these issues (but some do). On installer theorized that perhaps we are too natural- we don’t use a lot of strong soaps etc, that the algae goes too crazy in our system, constantly clogging up our light. We just had to have the tanks pumped, 5 years after install with only 2 people on a 4-bedroom septic system. So that was disappointing, as I’d heard that these should go a long time between pumpings.
January 30, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Guys…….That is a very complicated system. The bulb should cost you around $50 plus shipping.
Take a look at this system……NO moving parts nothing to go wrong….And I bet a lot cheaper…..wwwbluewateratu.com
January 31, 2013 at 3:56 am
Dougie, the bluewater looks like basically the same technology as the microfast- a compressor blows air into a special chamber, which enhances microbial activity. I contest their claim of “no moving parts”- a blower, with a fan, is indeed a moving part. One that, because it runs 24/7, is destined to fail after a few years, and require costly replacement.
I’m not sure what the price comparison would be since I never saw a breakdown of materials for our job, I just got bids on the total job. The microfast is a smaller unit meant to go inside a standard concrete tank. The bluwater looks like it comes with its own tank. We happen to have a concrete tank manufacturer in our area, so I am guessing it’s cheaper for us to get that from him than to have a whole tank shipped from elsewhere. Both require an expensive compressor. But I think the cost of either unit is probably the small part of the investment – it’s the excavation, plumbing, and drainfield material that make installing septic systems expensive…
To be fair to microfast, the light, and even all the alarms, are not necessarily a required part of their system, they just sell the “bubbling” unit like bluewater does. All of those other things are added on by the designer, I assume as local code requires. And as a homeowner, you don’t have a lot of choice, you sort of inherit whatever your septic designer designs, and what is considered acceptable by the local authorities.
January 31, 2013 at 4:08 pm
I hear what your saying…The Microfast blower looks like a BIG unit as it has to lift fluids etc, it looks like it would have to be at least 600w?? to do that, where as the Bluewater unit is an 80w blower, and the replacement parts are about $45.00.
The Bluewater has no moving parts in the ground, and the media will never need cleaning as I suspect the Microfast will.
And you are so right the main cost does seem to be the digging and associated man power required. A hole can literally be a money pit!
The Microfast is a concrete tank and has all the carbon dioxide production associated with making concrete, along with heavy machinery to deliver it and install it.
5 years in between pumping is pretty good for an advanced system, after all non organic solids, dead microbes etc will build up no matter how good the system is. As I understand a UV bulb is good for 2 years then loses its efficiency.
February 19, 2013 at 1:14 am
The blower we have is 432 watts, though presumably the size varies depending on the size of the unit and tank- ours is for a 4 bedroom septic. I had researched doing a repair on the blower bearings for when they finally seize up, but it turns out, it doesn’t save very much money over just buying a new one and probably isn’t worth the time.
The microfast “honeycomb” part needs no cleaning, but there is a small pull-out filter in one of the prior tanks that’s supposed to be hosed out twice a year, that part isn’t too hard.
Re: “green” manufacturing, I’m not sure if plastic is any more or less eco-friendly than concrete.
I have since been given advice from a septic engineer that one option is to not bother replacing the blower or the light when they die. Because pretty much, no-one will know, our municipalities don’t have the staff to enforce the law that requires us to maintain them. This guy told me that if one were to choose this option, one could just replace them when getting ready to sell the house. He said that the honeycomb unit is no worse for wear after sitting for years, and the whole system will fire up & run like new in that scenario. So, there’s that. 😉
October 18, 2013 at 8:02 am
Have the same system. Septic guy offered to replace the blower for just under a $1000, yep 1000 dollars. Found equivalent on line 2 years ago and replaced it myself for $375,still works great.
Anyone know where to get the quartz light for UV the disinfector system for less than the $130 my septic guy wants?
Bob
October 18, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Good tip Bob! I have also heard you can find the lights online, but I haven’t searched for one. I wonder if there are any model #s or anything on the light housing which you could use to search on the web?
October 18, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Could ask …..Jim Cruver @ Salcor, 760 731 0745. They do a UV system, and their replacement bulbs are around $50 plus shipping……
January 1, 2015 at 9:33 pm
Hi there – I’m out in Oregon and being forced to put in an “alternative” treatment system as our clay soils aren’t doing the job with a regular septic system. What has been people’s experience with pricing of the Microfast system? It’s on the approved list for Oregon. I’m hearing I might need to sink $22-$25K when it’s all said and done, but that was for a different system. I know that everyone’s property and needs are different, but I’m just trying to get an idea of other experiences. Thanks for any help!!
January 1, 2015 at 9:44 pm
Diane, I think I paid around $16k for it, installation and all, back in 2006. My installation was more expensive than normal, because the drainfield is about 700′ away from the tanks, so it was a very long tite line. It’s definitely not the olden days anymore, where you just put a tank at a higher elevation than the drainfield tubes and you were done! :-\
June 7, 2015 at 11:19 am
Diane in Oregon, I’m going to be building in Oregon this fall and am preparing for the worst-case scenario, just in case! Take a look at Puraflo, instead. If the county people say my soil is inadequate, that’s what I think I’ll do. I can handle a septic tank, a smaller tank, a simple pump, some floaty things, and a big bin of peat moss. It seems to be the simplest and least expensive of the ATT options, as well as the most natural.
Michelle, you must have a lot of patience! I stumbled upon your experiences here when looking at MicroFast and I would not deal with these things nearly as gracefully has you have done! I wish you much better luck and fewer problems/costs with your system!
Julie
June 8, 2015 at 4:41 am
Diane the Puraflo looks interesting. I wonder how much it costs, and how big it is for a 4-bedroom house? And how many counties/municipalities will approve it? It seems like there are a lot of inventions out there now that may usurp some of the more traditional designs.
June 11, 2015 at 12:07 am
Michelle, I’m not sure about the cost for a 4-bedroom, except that it’s designed to require much less space because it doesn’t need a leech field, which is labor-intensive. The purified water discharged is released to gravel below the peat pods or can even be used as irrigation for landscaping, if desired.
Although many variables are taken into account, I believe that it’s roughly one peat pod per bedroom, on average, if I’m remembering correctly. The other components of the system are the same. I’m just building a one-bedroom solar-powered cabin on a mountain so this makes perfect sense for me! It will be less expensive than a capping fill septic system, take up a small amount of land, and it has an off-the-grid option, too, for monitoring. No bells and whistles and more environmentally friendly.
The peat needs to be replaced about every 10-15 years on average, depending on volume of waste treated and usage, and is considered hazardous waste so there is that. It will require special pickup and disposal. But there is plenty of time to make arrangements for that to be done! Otherwise, this is a low-tech, low-maintenance system.
If the state approves the alternative system, then all of the counties should follow suit. The counties are mostly worried about being out–of-compliance with the state so state approval removes that concern. The homeowner would have to assure the county board that there is a qualified installer doing the job, I’d imagine. Puraflo’s simplicity helps. The company that sells Puraflo provides representatives to instruct and support installation and such, so that’s a plus. I’m not that far along in the process so I don’t have firsthand knowledge.
I hope that the soils and perc testing show that I can do a conventional or modified conventional septic system. But, if not, I’m prepared! I have reason to prepare — land at higher elevations has required the expensive capping fill systems. And some haven’t. But I did my research to be ready.
June 11, 2015 at 12:11 am
Take a look at our Bluewater’s, no peat to replace, and even simpler……WWW.BLUEWATERATU.COM Dougie. 615 663 0500
June 11, 2015 at 3:31 am
txteatime thanks for the info, it sure sounds interesting!
August 14, 2016 at 4:52 pm
I have a MicroFast 900. My blower started squealing. Not sure if its the motor bearings or the blower section. Anyone just replace the motor? I cannot find a match online as the numbers all seem to be OEM numbers just for Bio Microbics. I already change bearings in my pool motors, so I am ready to tear into it. Any guidance would be fantastic!
August 14, 2016 at 5:36 pm
Bob, it’s a good question! I did have a septic vendor hint to me that sort of “any compressor in that size range will do”; but I wouldn’t know how to find the components within the compressor, if there are no obvious hints as to the original manufacturer? There isn’t much harm in removing the compressor for a period of time, I wonder if you tore it apart, if you could find part numbers on the components that are google-able?
August 22, 2016 at 5:25 pm
Michelle, Thanks for the feedback. I did some more research, and mine is a GAST Regen 2103. The details of the motor, however, are not shared by the motor manufacturer. (Gast buys special “OEM” motors from various motor manufacturers. Mine was from Emerson, now Nidec, but they would not share any information.) I found a few GAST 2103’s used available on eBay – and I’ll buy one before I open mine. I’ll have to open it to get the bearing information. I definitely agree that you can use any similar blower. You just need to pick one that uses the same voltage and provides similar air pressures. If anyone wants to get more info for how this turns out, you can post here.
May 10, 2018 at 1:58 am
Would be interested to know what replacement bower you settled upon. We have a microFAST system and our neighbor’s blower just required replacement to the tune of $1200. One catalog shows a replacement blower list price at just over $1000.
May 10, 2018 at 5:21 am
Bob, I can’t remember anymore what might have happened with the blower. I think the distributor might have replaced at least once on warranty. And we might have bought one, and yeah, they are in the ballpark of $1K. 😦 But then, there is that other advice I got from a civil engineer, which was to not replace anything, because, maybe, who cares? Til you sell your house, then of course, it had better be working. 😉
December 24, 2019 at 5:03 pm
Hello, let me share with you my experience. Our MircoFAST septic system was installed in 2015. The system includes 2 concrete tanks, a aeration blower, effluent pump, a blower control panel and a effluent pump control panel. The company that engineered the system, Pinnacle is out of business. That is just perfect… so when I needs parts.. I have no resources. To make things better the installer says they do not do installations anymore and my home builder is of no help either. After charging us 17,500 for the system and 4 years later I am having trouble. The one issue is the Effluent Pump Controller is not working properly. One day I went out to check the effluent level almost to the top of the tank. I had to buy a pump and 80 feet of hose so I could lower the tank level. myself. I tried googling for the controller SIMPLEX SS-DT-11. It must be top secret because it does not exist anywhere. Or it was used on the space shuttle. I wish I never got this system and had a gravity type. I was told I had to go with the Teritary type, I was told my 165 x 135 yard was not big enough. umm… I wonder. If anyone knows where I can get a Simplex SS-DT-11 Controller please let me know. The pump is a 1/2hp 1 phase Meyers ME45MC11 with 3 float controls.
December 24, 2019 at 5:27 pm
Mark, I wonder if you called MicroFAST themselves, and asked whom their distributors/installers/dealers are near you, if they could help you find someone to service it, or find parts?
http://biomicrobics.com/products/microfast-wastewater-treatment-systems/
January 24, 2020 at 3:23 pm
Hi Michelle, MicroFAST gave me the contact information for the closest representative. They want me to sign a 5 year contract at 300 dollars a
year for their service. what that provides is the company comes to your home to measure the sludge depth of your tank. They check the aeration blower. They check the BOD of the system. The service does not cover your effluent pump, the blower or the controller. If the equipment fail that would be an extra charge for them to come to your home. You really have to be your own maintenance person.
January 25, 2020 at 5:15 am
Mark, I know, it’s silly, isn’t it? Our local firm showed me how to do all this myself, the main thing is just rinsing the filter thing with the hose, and checking on all the components to make sure they’re still running (if you haven’t removed them, LOL). In our county, in theory, the owner is supposed to keep records that this is done on a schedule, either by a professional or by the homeowner. It’s not difficult, but not everyone wants to “interact” with their septic tank every 6 months… 😀
April 12, 2020 at 6:55 pm
So Michelle, after at least nine years with your MicroFAST, would you do it again? I am near a stream and the county is requiring it for my treatment.
Scott
April 12, 2020 at 8:24 pm
Scott, I think you generally don’t have much of a choice, if your municipality requires some extra thing beyond a passive system, maybe there are other design choices, but they probably all have finicky problems. One engineer gave me advice to disable everything once the coast is clear, then just re-enable it before you sell your house. Not that anyone would publicly admit to doing that…
June 13, 2020 at 2:44 pm
thank you so much for this site! I had a Microfast system installed in 2008 and the installation company, hired/paid for by the state because I live so close to the bay. After 12 years I have had zero issues, no smell, no blockages and was on an annual maintenance plan with the installer. Then the year 2020 happened. The installer is no longer in business and the closest certified microfast company is HQ’d 2 hours away. One day I heard this annoying, continuous alarm ringing from the green box installed in my yard (e.g., the blower). I removed the hex machine screws and wellah, I noticed a filter was completely engulfed in spider webs/old leaves, grass, etc. I removed the metal ring filter and washed it out with water (would not have done that if the filter matrix part was paper based). I took a shopVAC and rag, and cleaned out the entire inside around the blower and other parts. I turned everything back on and wellah, no more alarm! Five days later, the same continuous alarm from the blower was buzzing/ringing and will not stop. After multiple tries to get the company out to my house to replace the blower (estimate $875 without labor I was told over the phone) and a missed appointment yesterday, I said screw it, I am doing this myself. I found this site: https://www.septicprofessor.com/Biomicrobics-05-FAST-Septic-Blower-Homeowner-Wholesale-DIY-FAST-05.htm for $439.99, so I just hit bought it and I will update you all on how it goes. Also I found all of the cleaning recommendations EXTREMELY helpful that everyone has posted on this site. Thank you very much. My next step, I had no clue about the UV light component and am going to find out if I have one and if I do, try a DIY replacement as others have on here. Thanks again!
June 13, 2020 at 3:02 pm
Michelle, any recommendations on how to measure the sludge level (e.g., use a 2′ x 8′ piece of wood) and what level the sludge should be at, etc? Thanks in advance for any other maintenance tips you could provide!!
June 13, 2020 at 3:38 pm
Update: I ended up buying this replacement blower instead: https://www.grainger.com/product/FUJI-ELECTRIC-0-37-Regenerative-Blower-1-4Z750. still way cheaper than doing this through the septic company. Also, I found this website PDF to be very helpful for my microfast system: https://www.pca.state.mn.us/sites/default/files/tap-presentations-1008.pdf
June 13, 2020 at 5:04 pm
John, I’m glad it was helpful, I wrote this so long ago, but people keep landing here and adding information, it’s great! 🙂 The blower should be really easy to swap out, just a couple of electrical connections, just pay attention to how the existing one is wired and duplicate that.
June 13, 2020 at 5:06 pm
John, gosh, I don’t know. Intuitively it seems like probably keeping the sludge to the bottom 1/3 – 1/2 the tank would be good?
June 13, 2020 at 5:24 pm
Michelle, I found the Sludge Judge to be the answer to my problem (e.g., to measure the sludge levels) for $138 on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Sludge-Judge-C09247WA-Sampler-System/dp/B003NV1TB2 from google research, this is the tool that was recommended from this article: https://www.aero-stream.com/how-to-measure-septic-tank-sludge-depth/ . They recommend if the sludge gets above 30% of the total area of your collection tank that you are measuring from, its time to call in a professional pumping company.
June 13, 2020 at 5:29 pm
Michelle, I just saw your replies. Thank you again =) This is what the Internet was really intended for. I will continue to post here if I find any other useful bits as I am progressing (rapidly!) in my understanding of my MicroFAST system. Thanks again =)
June 13, 2020 at 5:30 pm
Thanks John, love the name! 🙂
June 15, 2020 at 9:30 pm
Hello! I am in the process of purchasing my first home and the drainfield is bad so the sellers are replacing it with a Microfast unit. I have five days to pull out of the contract if I’m not satisfied with that system so I’ve been trying to do some research. Based on this thread, it sounds like the system is a headache to deal with – but I’d love some opinions! As this will be my first house, I do not want to set myself up for years of pain and money if this system isn’t worth it. Any advice or thoughts?
June 16, 2020 at 3:07 am
mkballinger I wouldn’t consider it a deal killer on a house you otherwise wanted to buy. I would assume that the engineer they hired to replace what they have has determined that this system is a required solution to an environmentally sensitive area (which may in itself be something to ask about) so there may not be other design options to meet whatever restrictions they are working with. I think there may be other comments on this thread that point to the suggestion that you can always disable all the “stuff” and just re-enable it before you sell the house. 😉
June 16, 2020 at 3:22 am
Hi Michelle, thank you for your thoughts! There is a pond on the property, not too far from the house so I’m under the impression that this is why the engineer is going with this system – due to space and such.
February 17, 2022 at 5:35 pm
Hello all you Micro FAST Septic owners. I just want to add a little preventative maintenance comments. I am a owner of the Micro FAST system. The discharge or outlet pipe that leads into the effluent tank, there is a plastic filter screen. This screen collects any micro solids to prevent any solids from settling into the effluent tank. This screen needs to be cleaned every couple of months. I bought a spare screen to keep on hand. I swap the dirty one with the clean one, then I hose off the dirty one with water. This way I always have a clean screen on hand. The pump in my effluent tank has 3 floats. A STOP float, a START float and HIGH LEVEL alarm float. I had to replace 2 of the floats on my system. I now keep a spare float on hand in case I need to change the float. I also heard people talk about the blower. I get into the habit of checking the blower, making sure the intake screen is clean, check to make sure it’s running, and make sure there is no water in the buried vault that holds the blower. Whenever there is as rain storm I always check this vault. Sometimes water will leak into the blower vault and I just use a sponge absorb the water.
February 18, 2022 at 5:37 am
Thanks for the tips, Mark. I hose out my screen as well, probably less often, but I’ve also never found it to be so plugged as to be a problem. I’ve also had the floats fail and have had them replaced. The system sure requires a lot of frequent interaction and maintenance… More than I would have wished. 🤷♀️
June 30, 2022 at 5:59 pm
If you have issues with the pumps and floats on the third chamber, talk to a Meyers supplier. They supply sewage pumps, control panels, and floats. You can likely get a replacement from them if it has failed for far less than MicroFast would charge after they do their markup , etc.
December 1, 2022 at 3:36 pm
I want to say thanks to all of you that have helped offer your experience, expertise, and sources for parts, etc. on this thread. I have much the same experience as many others of you. I too have a Bio-Microbics/Fast type system that has been in use since 2011. So far I have had my Blower Motor (FPZ SCL06) go out (bearings) twice, some small filter maintenance issues – seems to be very random, and due to a hail storm – had to replace my blower control/alarm box. Same as others have said, when the system was put in, I was under the understanding that it was very maintenance free. Per my county regulations, I have to pay a $100 annual operating permit fee and also had to have a certified installer maintain my system twice a year at $150 per visit. So, at $400 per year – not counting any parts or other maintenance supplies, it can be a racket IMHO. Other costs are pumping out the tanks every 3 to 5 years depending on your use/system etc. In my area this is in the $400 each time. My installer wanted in the neighborhood of $850 to replace my blower when it first went out. That is when I started really getting familiar with my system. I found the same blower for around $400 and replaced it myself. Then I rebuilt the old one for the price of less than $20 (2 sealed bearings). (Must have some mechanical know-how and a press along with some patience.) The next time the blower went out – several years later – I had the rebuilt one to swap out and keep the system going. The thing that really gets me is that the perk tests that were done on my soil initially were very close to acceptable for traditional lateral lines and I’m convinced that the county I’m in is just basically forcing everyone to go to these Advanced Waste Water systems because of the income. I did have a lagoon option but the only place to put it was right in my backyard or else I would have had to have 1 or 2 pumps to move the sewage to a better lagoon location. That also sounded like a maintenance nightmare. The systems are really not that complex and if you are willing to study up and learn them, you can probably save some money. I have more recently been able to work with the county on a trial basis to provide my own bi-annual maintenance reports (with pictures) – thus saving the $300 inspection/maintenance cost per year. I did have to buy a Sludge-Judge and some extra filters but hopefully I will be able to keep my costs in line as much as possible going forward. Other items that I’m thinking will probably need to be replaced due to failure soon would be the water pump in the effluent (3rd tank) and the Float Switches in the same tank.
December 2, 2022 at 4:18 am
OMG, Tim, thanks for your comment and amazing overhead you are facing. It’s funny how this post just keeps om going, 11 years later! 😀
Our county “implies” you have to pay a professional to service everything, and the professionals hound me with marketing materials trying to sell me these services (harvesting the data from the health district public records on who has these systems). But the designer clued me in that the law in our county just says SOMEBODY has to maintain it and keep records, so that can be me. He showed me how to clean the filter and then of course the rest is just theoretically making sure the blower and light continue to work. And I have found out real quick when the floats have failed because of the audible alarm, have yet to have the pump die.
I’m in the same boat that I think there were other perk-able places on my lot that could have used a traditional system, and I feel like it may have been laziness in not trying harder to identify them. Like when the seller is just tryna sell the lot, the designer gets the message to just come up with the fastest path to a design/plan approval so the lot can be sold. Then the lot is sold with an approved design, and you only find out later how much it’s gonna cost!
December 2, 2022 at 12:42 pm
That is interesting about the laws for your county. I actually don’t know what is on the law books in my county. I built my home outside of subbing out a few things on it. I got to where I had pretty good relationships with the county officials and I did spend quite a bit of time with our county waste water guy. He always stated that we had to have a certified person do the bi-annual maintenance on them. I would always write on my yearly operating permit bill statement to the county, that I would be interested in any program or training that I could take to allow me to maintenance my own system. Then – to my surprise – 2 years ago he said that he was going to allow me and a few others that had been asking for it a chance (on a trial basis) to do our own reports/maintenance. I made my own form, bought my Sludge Judge, and humbly accepted any additional details that the county guy wanted me to add or not have on the form. It seems that I have been able to keep in good standing with them and I think that I will be able to continue to save at least some money each year doing it this way. I was recently rebuilding the 2nd blower pump that went out and looking at the prices of them. (They have definitely gone up. I’m thinking about buying a 3rd, and then hopefully I’ll be able to make it a pretty long time rebuilding them and being set up for the future.) You have given me some thoughts regarding not running the blower 24/7. I’m not sure how much that would affect the bacterial reaction going on. Those are the types of questions and just more info in general about these systems that I have been trying to research. That is how I found this thread. I think they want the certified guys to be the ones working on the systems and so it can be fairly difficult to find service/maintenance info out there on the web about them. Over the years I have been able to get a decent number of documents together, but there are multiple other brands and types of advanced waste water treatment systems that I don’t really know much about. I’ve actually thought about trying to get certified to maintenance them. It seems like a good gig if you can get it! Thanks for having this small piece of the internet world where folks like me can come and share info on their experiences. Have a wonderful Christmas!
December 3, 2022 at 7:44 am
Tim, yeah, I think that’s where, for municipalities that leave it up to the homeowner, there is no way of verifying, once something breaks, how long before you got around to fixing it. The next time it might be caught is when the house gets sold and an inspector reviews the system. I assume that’s why some cities require 3rd party maintenance, is it would be harder to talk your supplier into leaving it broken but still signing off on the report, claiming “well it was working yesterday when I looked at it”? It’s an interesting dilemma, because in general it’s a hardship to ask the homeowner to spend hundreds of dollars per year in 3rd party maintenance overhead. But also hard to ensure a homeowner will do it on their own.